Cutting Through Internet Misinformation About Nicaragua By Pronicaragua And Other "Sources"

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There is a lot of misinformation floating around the internet about the countries in Central America.  I happen to know more about the misinformation related to Nicaragua than other countries, so I'm going to take a closer look here and present what I find.  At times I've expressed some caution about trusting the cleverly censored forums like nicaliving.  But it goes beyond just one website.  Wikipedia has the same lies, as do real estate websites, "non"governmental agency websites (unsurprisingly) and tour websites.  Here are a few examples:

Wikipedia Deception

The paragraph of lies below appeared in Nicaragua's Managua page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managua)

Nicaragua Murder Rate 1990-2005 GraphNicaragua has been rated the safest country in Central America by various sources. Statistics and surveys by INTERPOL, the United Nations, INCAE, the Inter-American Human Rights Institute and the Police Forces in the Americas show that statistically, Nicaragua has the lowest crime rate in Central America and one of the lowest in Latin America.[39][40][41] In addition, Nicaragua has the lowest homicide rate in Central America. In 2007 the homicide rate was 14 per 100,000 people.[42]

The one and only thing that is true from the paragraph is the rough estimate of the reported homicide rate (see the graph at right which is NOT from wikipedia but from a separate UN report at http://www.unodc.org/pdf/research/Central_America_Study_2007.pdf).  Feel free to do a little research on your own and you will see that both Costa Rica has a lower reported and real homicide rate.

Now take a close look at the references 39-41 from that wikipedia page:

39. "Safe and stunning" [ The World's best-kept retirement secret ]

40. www.pronicaragua.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=97 ]

41. "Semester in Managua, Nicaragua at Universidad Centroamericana" 
Fairfield University.[ NONEXISTENT PAGE www fairfield edu/x16869.html ]

Well, #39 is an article written by International Living, which makes money selling false information and property in Nicaragua.  No surprise about all the lies in there.  I'm sure they had to pay to have that article published by the msn.  What blatant trash.

#40 Now is this a website whose objectivity we can really trust: pronicaragua.org?  Go ahead and try to navigate to pronicaragua.org and see what you get - advertisements from Nicaragua Tourism and Hotel Investment Exchange!  Then look it up in the domain ownership database.  You'll find: J Pereira, ProNicaragua, Km 5 Carretera Masaya, 1/2 cuadra, oeste, Managua, Nicaragua.  Fine.  So let's skip right past the delusional "Nicaragua ranked 3er most globalized country in Latin America" from the front page to the "About Us" page.  

ProNicaragua is the Nicaraguan Investment Promotion Agency, established in 2002.  We are a not-for-profit, public-private institution whose mission is to generate economic growth and job creation in Nicaragua by attracting high-quality foreign direct investment.  We provide free support services to qualified investors seeking investment opportunities in our country.

In other words, it's a way for some people (private) to take investor money and government (public) money.  This is rich.  But it gets even better if you read their press releases:

http://www.pronicaragua.org/espanol/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Itemid=238 on that page you find this:

El año pasado, la Agencia de Promoción de Inversiones, ProNicaragua, con el apoyo del programa patrocinado por el Gobierno de los Estados Unidos, Millenium Challenge Corporation, en Nicaragua (www.mcc.gov), organizaron y diseñaron la celebración de un Foro de Inversiones, enfocado en las oportunidades de inversión emergentes en la industria hotelera de Nicaragua.

In other words, Pronicaragua has been receiving a lot of money from the MCC of the United States Government.  This money has been used, among other things, in writing fraudulent information on their pronicaragua website.  We've also had a user on this website, jdbriceno, who was trying to post misleading information on this website but then quit and hasn't been back.  I'm willing to bet that this "Diego jdbriceno" was being paid directly or indirectly by the MCC to misrepresent Nicargua in my claim about Nicargua's misuse of foreign aid.

#41?  This page doesn't even exist anymore, but it appears to have been propaganda written by a Nicaraguan University to advertise an exchange program for foreign students.

Now who do you think wrote the misleading information in wikipedia itself and put the links to the propaganda in the Managua page of Wikipedia?  I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.

Tours Nicaragua

And don't think that the lies are just by Nicaraguans or that all the gringo-fraud is from nicaliving (thought that is a top spot for misinformation).  Probably well over half the websites with information about Nicaragua are propaganda.  Take a look, for instance, at http://toursnicaragua.com.  This is a company owned and run by a couple gringoes (Mike Newton and Richard Leonardi) and a Nicaraguan wife.  Just look at the "Country Information" page on their website. 

Many people are surprised to learn that the United Nations ranks Nicaragua as the second safest country in all of Latin America (behind Uruguay). Many of our customers have related to us that before their visit to Nicaragua they were shown concern by family or friends about safety issues in Nicaragua. Is the negative image of Nicaragua justified? Is it dangerous here?

[...] According to Interpol in 2001, crime rate per 100,000 was 9,927 for England, 7,736 for Germany, 4,161 for the USA and 1,750 for Nicaragua. According to Interpol Nicaragua is home to less than half the crime of the USA and a quarter of the crime in England or Germany. Murder rates are a good measure for a country's level of violent crime as murders rarely go unreported. The world's homicide rate is currently estimated at 8.86 per 100,000. Latin America is quite a bit rougher, with an average of 22.9 murders per 100,000 in the region. Most neighbor countries of Nicaragua in Central America are on the upper end of the world's scale, exactly where the world might expect Nicaragua would be located. Countries like El Salvador at 117 per 100,000, Guatemala at 45 per 100,000 and Honduras at 41 per 100,000. In North America, the US murder rate is 7.1 per 100,000, yet its cities weigh in at 14.8 per 100,000 for Los Angeles, 21.9 for Chicago, 31.7 for Atlanta, with Washington, D.C. at 41.8 and New Orleans at 43.3. Costa Rica is at 7.2, the same as the US nationwide and significantly safer than most other Central American republics. But what about Nicaragua? Nicaragua suffers only 3.4 per 100,000, making it the least violent country in Central America and one of the safest in the entire hemisphere.

What a bunch of lies.  This is such festering propoganda that I am not even going to waste my time on it.  I wouldn't mind if the website said something like, "Despite Nicargua being dangerous, our tours are safe.  Over 10 years, we have developed relationships with a talented and well-compensated staff, and we have never had even one incident in our tours" (assuming that is true).  But to put lies on the website and misrepresent Nicaragua?  That is wishful thinking, fraud, and categorically a dishonest business practice.  Fits right in with Nicaragua.

 

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safest countries in Latin America

I truely believe that....I never said it was perfect but we are still in diapers compared to all the other countries in Crime...been to Guatemala lately, finally its name speaks for itself. Sorry Peter I agree with this guy.

Almost....correct

Costa Rica and Honduras !!!!

AMEN

Looks like there are a few Nicaragua haters on here. Its not perfect , there are problems but it not anywhere near the mess South Central L.A. is, heck the cops will not even go there. I took a tour of that area. Our bus was shot at...!!!!!!

Yes , its better in the USA......maybe those folks that hate it here so much ....should !

Well...

I've lived in El Salvador all my life (22 years) and never been mugged because of the precautions I take all the time (it is a dangerous country).  But (stupidly) I bought the whole "Nicaragua is a safe country" thing and went without taking all the precautions I usually take here: the result was I was mugged at gunpoint and had some lights stolen off my my car (TWICE) in less then a week... and this is while sticking to the tourist areas.  So there is no such thing as a super safe Nicaragua... you can enjoy your stay but still have to be very alert and all..

crime in nicaragua

Having being born and raised in nicaragua for 23 years I could tell you the reality of nicaragua. For example in the 80s nica was the most violent place on earth,the 90s came and brougth more poverty than before, so how can anybody expect a place without dangers. Having said that we must close our ears to misinformation about my country. Nicaragua is the most violent place on earth forever, so do not go there my "beloved" gringos, stay put in the beautiful U.S.A. nicas should live of the land not of turist dollars, for your own sake.

welcome back

Hi Diego,

Welcome back.  Of course I did not suspend your account or that of anyone else in any way, except for one user who posted a bunch of spam links to porn sites, and I am sure that was not you.

Note that I did not say, "I have proof that Diego is payed indirectly with MCC funds" but simply stated it as my strong suspicion.

Peter

Paid by the MCC?

 I am jdbriceno or Diego, the person you claim is being paid by the MCC to post false information.

You say "We've also had a user on this website, jdbriceno, who was trying to post misleading information on this website but then quit and hasn't been back.  I'm willing to bet that this "Diego jdbriceno" was being paid directly or indirectly by the MCC to misrepresent Nicargua in my claim about Nicargua's misuse of foreign aid."

Why haven't I been back? Well because you blocked my account and would not allow me to log in. I have now created I now account in the hope that I am not blocked.  You say I have been paid to post misleading information, would you please clarify as to what misleading information I ever posted because as far as I know everything I posted was directly cited from the CIA world factbook. You also say you can bet that I am being paid or was paid by the MCC, could you please tell me where you got your information? Because it appears it is you who is posting misleading information on the website.

Thanks

-Diego

PRO-NICARAGUA

Look who Baltodano is:

"Ortega put retired general and former guerrilla commander Álvaro Baltodano Cantarero as president of the National Free Trade Zone Commission and executive secretary of the Free Trade Zone Corporation. Baltodano is one of Ortega’s most trusted men and was his national campaign chief during the 2001 election campaign. After retiring from the army in April 2000, Baltodano rejoined the FSLN as part of Cerna’s group. Soon after his third election defeat, Ortega commissioned Baltodano to attend to the groups, personalities and political allies in the FSLN’s Convergence alliance."

http://www.envio.org.ni/articulo/3460

This guy has ties to LENIN CERNA.....ask any Nicaraguan who Lenin Cerna was...

I would not invest any money knowing this guy's ties.

Wikipedia? Not the place to go for facts, Son.

Agreed, but...

I agree that one has to exercise caution and common sense anywhere.  However, that discussion belongs in a different thread.  This forum topic is about whether online information about Nicaragua is misleading, and details some specific examples where I found misleading information online.  Do you have anything to add on this topic?

I invite you also to click "Create content" in the left user menu bar when you are logged in, then click "forum topic", and create a forum topic on the comparative safety of the U.S. vs. Nicaragua, or the similarities and differences between the kinds of self-preservation tactics a careful person will employ in different parts of the world.

Nicaragua safesty factor

Back in 1987,   I took a wrong turn of the interstate and ended up in Bronx, that is one of the five borough  NYC, it was around 6:00 p.m., was driving with my family and for the first time in my life, I was really scared especially because was travelling with my family.  Remember, the movie with Paul Newman, had been released around the same time.   Why do I mention this experience, because any where you go, be it Nicaragua or Costa Rica or Honduras or Panama, you have to exercise caution and common sense.

Saludos   

Fred's comments

I agree with Fred totally.. 

Are there plans to move Asia closer to the US or vice-versa?  That is the principal drawback for those of us with family or business interests in the US....

 

Nicaragua crime...

I am sure that you can still get mugged, robbed, burgularized, etc. in Nicaragua.... However, back in 2003, I met the head of immigration a the Nicaragua/CR border.... He analyzed and summarized the situation as follows:  There is virtually no crime in Nicaragua.  We sent all of the bad guys to Costa Rica as there is more money there for them to steal.  His name was Gustav Pedersen.... 

Somehow, I think he is correct.

Jerry

safety in latin america

i have seen the same pattern in many places in latin america. gringos swearing how safe colombia is for example. gringos tell me that ecuador is sooooo safe. in reality both countries are dangerous as hell. local latinos will confirm that. in colombia someone gets abducted every three minutes. and that is only the official statistics. columbia is in a civil war, all intercity streets close at night.  in ecuador every businessman i know, those are not rich people by western standards, does employ a personal bodyguard.

i only believe in facts and i listen to local people.

with regards to nicaragua i believe that managua is very dangerous. so is the north and the caribbean. other cities are quite safe. when i was in nicaragua i have visited every single major city and even some small. nicas and the police warned me everywhere not to go to certain areas because of crime.

in general, why should i be restricted from going here or there ? why should i be restricted from going out at night or from walking at night. why should i live in a place where i do not have the freedom to move anywhere, any time of the day? everyone i know became victim of a violent crime in costa rica(i know many people in costa rica). i got robbed by the police in managua. that was the first time in my life that i got robbed anywhere, after living in and travelling to more than 75 countries.  i am sick and tired of crime in latin america. even in the poorest asian countries i can walk anywhere at night without problems. asia rocks !

fred

Hi, welcome, any evidence?

Hi, welcome and nice to meet you.

If you have any any evidence (anecdotal or systematic) comparing the relative accuracy of crime figures from Latin countries I'm interested to hear about it.

Nicaragua

Christopher Peter wrote "What a bunch of lies.  This is such festering propoganda that I am not even going to waste my time on it". Chris why waste your time then??

No doubt, Nicaragua a one of the safest countries in Latin America, relatively safe.  However, many countries like Costa Rica or Puerto Rico's governments hide their crime rates in order to keep tourism high and business coming.  

I lived in Nicaragua for 4 years and never had any problems, I do plan to go back when I retire.

reply from Tim Rogers

Tim Rogers promptly and kindly wrote back:

Yes, I wrote that. I think it came out in 2005, but I don't remember the date. Nicaragua is still the safest country in Central America, but that's a relative statistic. It doesn't mean that there isn't crime here, but violent crime -- homicides included -- is much less here than in the rest of Central America.

nicaliving & other wiki reference article

I think many share your perspective.  Hence for three years nicaliving has bled almost all its contributors to therealnicaragua, nicaraguaforum, and now this site central-america-forum.

 

Back on the topic of wikipedia, I just found another absurd reference from the Managua article's "crime" section to this article - supposedly by Tim Rogers (supposedly original date of publication 2005): http://www.haciendaiguana.com/living_in_nicaragua/in_the_press.phtml

I am about to write Tim Rogers at the email listed and inquire whether he actually wrote that and if so how he would characterize now what he wrote then.

I deleted the reference from wikipedia.

so true

i gave up reading nicaliving more than two years ago because it is soo boring. and it is censored like a stalinist police state.

that was the reason why i have founded the nicaraguaforum on yahoo where anything goes.

at the moment we have an open discussion going on about crime in nicaragua and turbas.

manfred

There is no interesting

There is no interesting /useful subject matter on nicaliving site.

It comes across as a "censored" site. It merely dabbles in "safe" subjects. Its boring and un informative.

A bunch of folks babbling all day long and offering no substance.

good bye nicaliving....

Hi - what's your measure

Hi JB, What are you comparing?  What's your measure?  What's your experience?

Nicaragua

Nicaragua is EXTREMELY CORRUPT but

Nicaragua is way safer than Costa Rica - can't imagine anywhere in Central America safer - crime is actually punished in Nicaragua and under control but it's the cops you have to fear of robbing you.  I can promise you that El Salvador and Panama are more violent that Nicaragua too.

 

wikipedia history

It was also interesting to take a look at the wikipedia history for the Managua article.  I think I've parsed it correctly, though I'm no expert on Wikipedia.

On August 31 2007, the Crime section of the Managua page was created by an anonymous user from an IP address in Granada Hills, California, posting data from a government report relating certain crime incidents and the dangers of Managua.  (See https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Managua&diff=154709622&oldid=154700258 for that new addition). 

This was immediately deleted by the Wikipedia "LaNicoya" who then replaced it  (lower in the article) with the propaganda I quoted above. (See https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Managua&diff=next&oldid=154684460 for that new addition.)

If we trust "LaNicoya"s user page at wikipedia, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:LaNicoya "she" is half-Nicaraguan and if we trust the birthdate, "she" was 18 at the time of removing the accurate data about Nicaragua's crime and replacing it with propaganda.  So if that's all true, it appears I was probably incorrect about the hypothesis in the article that the author was funded by the MCC.  More likely funded directly by "her" highschool or college.  Still the same US taxpayer money going to post propaganda.  Of course, we don't actually know her motivations, or whether she is a she.  Make what you will of it.  Probably the best thing to do is "judge a bull by its work" as they say in Nicaragua, and look at what the user deleted and added.

Let's see whether she decides to revert he page  to her propaganda crime statement and lock it.  I think that wikipedia power members can do that.

not a bad suggestion

I did just edit the wikitravel and wikipedia Managua pages to fix the errors there.  We'll see whether those changes stick.

wikipedia

So why don't you fix the wikipedia page?

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